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That's why Vpop groups keeps being looked down on. Vietnamese, especially the huge Kpop fans expect a lot of a Vpop group. Kpop delivers jaw-dropping performances, synchronized dancing, songs released with story and themes, innovative fashion, huge investment (not always) in music videos and stage performances, etc. None of the current Vpop groups has even been close this. UNI5 and Monstar maybe, but they aren't half-way there. Only ones who can can match with Kpop is Son Tung M-TP. He may not be a super good dancer, but his music and video always delivers top notch. 

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Vietnamese people have the talent to sing and perform synchronized dancing really well just look at all the dance cover groups from Vietnam who get millions of views. We just don't have the money or backing that kpop groups have. Once vpop gets bigger and the idols earn more money, the labels will also take it more seriously and invest more money. UNI5 and Monstar come from small labels if you compare them to SM or YG entertainment who are both billion dollar entertainment companies. I heard SM was going to enter Vietnam a few years ago but I haven't seen any activity yet.

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@thanggalang Vietnamese don't need billion of dollars to be good dancer and singer. It just that the companies doing Vpop groups are to impatient and don't think quality. If dance conver groups can dance as good as Kpop groups, then why can't UNI5 and Monstar? 

There are plenty of big korean companies than just SM and YG. Like RBW, they should have trained D1verse and given them equal treatment as they do to their korean groups. Had they done that, D1verse might have change vietnamese perceptions on Vpop groups. 

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@uni5fan99 I agree with you. Many vpop idols gained popularity through Youtube without support from a big label. I've heard of RBW in Vietnam signing Jin Ju a few years ago. They are the company behind Mamamoo.

I just found out about D1verse. They look legit. What happened to D1verse, are they still together?

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@thanggalang After their debut, they had a few appearances on tv shows. Then one of the member got kicked out of the group because he talked crap about their seniors Mamamoo and Oneus on a private chatroom. Then Rbw Vietnam office they were looking for a replacement. After that, they been quiet for soon three months with zero updates. 

This goes back to what I wrote in my post about them not given proper MV and training. Look at the quality of Monster. It isn't even worthy a Vpop video...

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@uni5fan99 so much drama. I wonder what that member said about mamamoo and oneus and whether d1verse was mistreated.

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Only constant hyperbolic stretching and work on your body can produce such great results. I like the way the guys dance, they are professionals in their business.

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I think it's to be expected with how things are going. More kpop artists are becoming worldwide stars, and it's likely more Vpop stars will start to implement their ideas and themes. 

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To be fair, I can't think of any boy/girl band out of South Korea that has everything you listed (jaw-dropping performances, synchronized dancing, songs released with story and themes, innovative fashion, huge investment). Even hugely popular boy bands from the USA and UK never had all of that. If you have ever looked at the music videos of One Direction, Nsync, Backstreet Boys, etc, they just have very basic dancing and/or they're just standing around singing. Compare their dancing to UNI5 and Monstar, and all of a sudden Vietnamese boy bands look great at dancing. I don't think any country has boy/girl bands that are up to par with the top ones in South Korea...

Personally, I don't see why Vietnam has to emulate Kpop boy/girl bands. There are plenty of great solo singers with good music videos already.

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@midu Then I bet you don't follow Kpop that much? A lot of groups are synchronized as hell compared to Vpop groups. Not all of them has story and themes, but many do. There is a reason why Kpop is a global phenomena. The things I listed contributes to that. And my wishes is that Vpop allows a place for idol groups. I don't want Vpop to turn into Kpop, but more like Jpop where there are many diverse genres. 

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@uni5fan99 You misunderstood what I said or maybe my word choice was bad. I said out of South Korea, meaning every other country outside of/except South Korea does not have all of the things you listed. And I said the dance skills of UNI5 and Monstar look great if you compare them to largely popular boy bands in the US and UK. Even in Japan and China, their boy/girl bands aren't up to par with Korean ones.

My whole point was if bands from other countries that have more developed and richer music industries than Vietnam can't even get up to the skill levels of top Korean boy/girl bands, how do you expect Vietnam to? Of course, the ones in Vietnam still have lots to improve on, but comparing them to Korean boy/girl bands IMO is unfair and unrealistic.

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@midu Oh okay sorry for misunderstanding you. 

Even though Vpop isn't a rich industry, it doesn't mean companies cannot try harder to make their group better than what we have now? Like ThangGALANG said, there are many dance cover groups that are very synched and even on pair with Kpop sometimes. If they can do it, why can't Vpop groups? Sure Uni5 and Monstar are good, but some of these dance covers can outshine them. 

I think any agencies, both vietnamese and korean that tries to make a localized group need to two things in mind:

1. The music, MV must be high quality and cater to vietnamese audience, but at the same time to global fans as well. If they need a inspiration, look at Son Tung M-TP.

2. Quality over quantities. Debut them when they are fully ready. Even if it takes 2 years of training. If they need help to polish their skills, hire some of the best dance crew out there. 

In my opinion, if the companies can do that, the vietnamese audience view on Vpop idol groups will change. 

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@uni5fan99 I agree with you that the Vietnamese music companies should put more effort into their boy and girl groups. They can definately be improved and they don't need an exorbitant amount of money to do that. I was moreso arguing against your original post where you expect Vpop groups to be as good as/like Kpop groups when no other country has been able to do that. It think it's an unrealistic expectation. There are great dance cover groups in Vietnam but I don't know if I would put them on par with top Kpop groups. Not to mention, they're dancers only. A person in a Vpop group would have to focus on perfecting their dancing and singing at the same time. Also, it's not just their dance skills they need to worry about, but the choreagraphy also. A good dancer can look meh if the choreagraphy sucks. Kpop groups have the dance skill and their choreagraphy is insanely good.

I feel like Vietnamese music companies don't put a lot of time, money, and effort into Vpop groups because there is not enough demand for it. It goes back to your point that Vietnamese or just everybody, in general, has been spoiled by Kpop. People aren't giving their local boy/girl groups a chance. The music companies see that, then don't put 100% effort in, and the cycle continues.

I think your points are good but you're underestimating the importance of money and the time for a really good boy/girl group. Money isn't going to automatically make a group amazing but money is needed to make a great group. Also money is needed to make a high quality MV. The companies in South Korea pour a lot of money into trainees (YG is $89,000/year for each trainee). Plenty of Kpop groups flop. It's already a big gamble these companies are taking in South Korea. It's an even bigger gamble in Vietnam considering the local population's low interest. A lot of Kpop idols started training rigerously at a very young age. Sometimes idols have to train for over 5 years. In Vietnam with the economic situation and just culturally, not a lot of parents would be okay with their 13-17 year old going off to train for a future Vietnamese boy/girl group that most likely won't be a success. If they are a talented singer, then they would rather just try to be a solo singer then with a higher chance of success. So there is a shortage of talented people in Vietnam trying to get into a boy/girl group.

Maybe I'm just pessimistic about this, but I don't see Vpop groups getting popular as Kpop groups, at least not anytime soon. There are just too many factors that come into play.

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@midu Yeah I do agree with you. The way korean companies spend on their trainees cannot be applied in Vpop. Not even in Cpop is there such a grand system like that.

However, there are other ways to improve Vpop groups that is cheaper. Focusing on details, trainer harder, implement the Kpop trainee working ethic etcs. Measures that doesn't even need to cost a dime. 

Not only better training, there needs to be better promotions as well. Since Vpop groups are not popular, they need to be more visible than soloists. Soloists can go on hiatus for two years and come back with the same degree of popularity and even more. I remember when UNI5 released Vi Em La Oxy. In my opinion, one of their worst songs. But still it has the most ''likes'' and views. 12 million soon and 163k likes. They achieved that because they promoted the song heavily. Vpop groups, both current and upcoming need to go wherever they can go. Both full group or individual members. I think UNI5 has been smart with that. They let some of the members appear on various shows. They also need to try signing CF deals. 

I believe there are immense talents in Vietnam and some of them can be used in a idol style group. I have no illusion Vpop groups can be as big as the top artists in Vpop. Only 365daband kinda achieved that, but I feel they were really lucky with the children song Bong Bong Bang Bang. I think a Vpop groups can go from nugu\underrated to a strong mid-tier position in Vpop, if we see a developed group that goes higher from the standard we see now. 

Have you heard about SB19? The sensational filippino pop group that uses Kpop style, but managing to gain many fans in their home country. They even managed to reach the Billboard Social Chart. Their visuals are weaker than many Vpop groups, but their skills are above all of them. Just go and watch Go Up mv and their dance practice. And they are under a small korean agency. Filippino music market is similar to Vpop, where soloists are only popular. That a group like that defies the odds makes me believe a group in Vpop can achieve the same success. 

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@uni5fan99 That's true, Vpop groups aren't promoted that well. Promotion is pretty important. A good group can flop if the promotion isn't there. I haven't heard of SB19 before. I just watched their MV for Go Up. Their dancing is pretty good! Here's to hoping Vpop groups can improve and get more popular within Vietnam at the least!! Do you think the only way for Vpop groups to get to that level is by having Korean choreagraphers train them or have Vietnamese choreagraphers train in South Korea?

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@midu I think it would be better if a company hired a korean trainer to Vietnam. It's a safer enviroment for the trainees than going to Korea imo. But if the company can ensure safety for vietnamese going to train in Korea, then it can work too. 

About vietnamese trainers, I don't know if there are any as good as the korean ones? Maybe from the popular dance crew there might be? 

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@uni5fan99 Yea, I don't think there are any Vietnamese choreographers that can do it as well as the Korean ones for groups otherwise we would have seen it by now. I think some Vietnamese choreographers should train in South Korea from the pros and then bring the skills back to Vietnam to then teach the Vpop groups. I think it's better if the trainees stayed in Vietnam too to train. Like you said, safer but also I know a lot of them would like to stay close to their family.

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@midu that's what thing I like about VPop, the storytelling inside of their MVs. Most KPop MVs focus on dances and not the emotional love stories like VPop.

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@teelee Same here. I think it's because Vpop is full of pop ballad. Kpop has a lot more fun dancing songs.

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@midu kpop is for teenage girls who are still in puberty and haven’t felt their first kiss before.

Vpop is for girls who were just dumped by their 7th boyfriend they thought they would marry.

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